Template talk:Districts of Turkey
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Guys - less is more. You have created a template full of sublists and links that is impossible to edit and thus impossible to update and maintain.
All we need to see at the bototm of a province page is
- a list of the districts in the province
- a list of the provinces of Turkey
- a list of the regions (which I don't actually care about but apparently some people think is important)
And all of these need maps.
Your current template has the following problems
1 - the title line should not include the word districts. It should just say the name of the province.
- The title only includes "text:districts" if the page is under a province (a province page). At this stage it lists the districts of the province. The text "text:districts" does not show up on other pages. So the title word "text:districts" is correctly states what it is performing under a specific context. --OttomanReference 22:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
But this template is intended for the province pages surely, where else are you planning to put it?Istanbuljohnm 09:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
2 - then you can have a sub title with 'saying districts of xxxxReply
- Please do not rush your conclusions. The first field is the megapole of the province, it is the second field that lists XXX. What you are proposing is saying things more than once, which is basicly repeating the obvious. However to accommodate your wish, I will make that change. However I 'm against it, as that would not bring more clarity. --OttomanReference 22:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
It's a heading for the list of districts. The first bar should be (is now that I've changed it) a simple title stating the name of the province described in the box Istanbuljohnm 09:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
3 - then you should have a list of all the provinces of Turkey, in alphabetical order which is the Turkish standard
- There is no Turkish standard (TSE) about how to list the provinces. This is a POV.--OttomanReference 22:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, but it is important to educate the world that Turkey is governed in a hierarchy of ulus, il, ilçe. Istanbuljohnm 09:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
4 - then a list of the regions BUT not with each province listed next to it
- The current form is very effective from USABILITY perspective, as it helps the users easily acquire in relationships (Region first, alphabetical sorting of the provinces second). Also remember it was your position not to link regions to administrative functions. If you put them in a hierarchy view, the first thing people think that regions are on TOP of provinces, provinces are on TOP of districts. What you are proposing is asking to perform an organization that will convey a hierarchy that does not exist (U were against this topic). The current form is the best, it does not convey the hierarchical view. Thanks. --OttomanReference 22:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
If you don't list the provinces next to the region then there will be no hierarchy. People can see from the title bar at the top of the template that Çorum (for example) is in the Black Sea region and they can jump there from the title bar. Or they can see a small list of regions below which they can investigate. They don't need to see a list of which provinces are in the south-east, for example, when they are reading the page about Amasya. Istanbuljohnm 09:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
You need three maps and they should all be much larger than ın your current template.
- The major focus of the template is the textual info. If you increase the size of the images the texts become "washed out" from the template. BESIDES it is a wikipedia function to "CLICK" on an image to get it bigger. This function is known widely and used widely. Yo do not have to make the pictures bigger as it does not make the information better. The information is in the text, that is what we are working with, as you know. PS: The template is designed for the 800px wide, as there are millions who does not have wide screens, and this template is repeated in many many pages. It is better people who has expensive screens to click and make it bigger for these people. --OttomanReference 22:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
OK I accept this. As long as we keep them as big as possible without spoiling the design of the template.Istanbuljohnm 09:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
In the Çorum Province entry I have given you an example (if you would stop reverting it!!) of how ıt should look BUT ın separate templates. If you can put it all in one template that would be fine.
Istanbuljohnm 17:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Thanks for your ideas, but what you propose has already discussed at very early stages of the development. I'm sure if you give more time, you can recognize that there is a lot of time put into this template and there is a valid point why things are organized like this. I'm very pleased to see that you are actively involving to this template. HOPE you will help the users to update (locate) the of pages that does not have this template. THAT WOULD be your biggest help, which has not been solidified yet.--OttomanReference 01:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
- PS: Do not add the old templates. The templates you are replacing has SORTING issues under the category pages. These have been discussed in the adf page and I checkout, you were part of those discussions, so U are aware. Those templates did not consider (solve) the category sorting with Turkish characters. Indeed by making those changes you are causing problems, which this template tries to solve. Thanks. --OttomanReference 22:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
I do appreciate that a lot of work has gone into this template, and it is looking neater every day. I don't really understand what you mean by "(locate) the of pages that does not have this template" I guess there is a missing word in your writing. Let me know and I will be pleased to help.
In the meantime i have changed the wording slightly in the template to make it standard English and also tidied up the title bar.
Keep up the good work Istanbuljohnm 09:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
The heading bar should not contain the word districts
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Your template is MUCH more than a list of districts. It includes information about the whole country. Therefore you need:
- a general title - the name of the province.
- Or you need a template which just contains the list of districts plus a map.
- Or maybe as a compromise you could feature the districts as you have done already and then put the national and regional information in a smaller section below, In fact if you removed the display of all the provinces in each region that would make the template look more focussed on the districts. I still don't understand why I need to see a list of which provinces are in the Aegean when I'm reading about a small town in Amasya.
Also please don't hide this template. At the moment there is no other listing of the districts of Çorum for example, (because you keep deleting the clean and simple list that was there before) so we must see your template. Istanbuljohnm 08:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Can you change the order of the maps?
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This is looking better. One problem - next to the list of districts you have the regions map and next to the regions the map of the province. Can you switch these around? And Ottoman Reference don't talk to me about respect. If you do a good job you will get appreciation. I am not the only one to have criticised this template. And you are still working on it so you can't expect people to start applauding yet. When it is finished and looks fine and meets with general approval I will be the first to congratulate you, but the job is not done. Can M. Istanbuljohnm 20:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
You know you can choose an article, a concept and using Wikipedia:Citing sources and criterias of the Wikipedia:Good article, you can work on it to make it Wikipedia:Featured content. Do not get me wrong your critics are wellcomed but do you have to jump on this vagoon? I believe I'm doing fine. You do not need to insult me. Is this the only thing you can improve? Please, I do not need another father in my life. Thanks. OttomanReference 20:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
- I am interested in this topic because I am Turkish and live in Turkey. I want to get this right as quickly as possible so that people can read about our country accurately as soon as possible. You are concerned with the mechanics of the template - good, it is far too complicated for me - I am concerned with how it looks. it still needs improving, but you are doing a good job now. You attacked me, talking of respect, i never mentioned you personally. Istanbuljohnm 07:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ayaş is not a branch of Indian metallurgy
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Guys could you help with a link. I've tried to make Ayaş in Ankara link properly. Help would be appreciated. C M. Istanbuljohnm 12:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
OK it looks like it's working. Must have been some kind of delay on the server. Istanbuljohnm 12:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Auto hide
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How can I hide this template? Since it is a large template I think it will be better if reader look it by clicking on show. So how to prevent default "show" and make it "hide"? --Ugur Olgun 11:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Map problem
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Is there a problem with the Yozgat map? The template doesn't show the usual map trilogy of region/province/district. Baristarim 02:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Ditto Karaman.. Baristarim 03:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Thanks Deniz.. Baristarim 04:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Hmm, this time the districts don't show up on the template~for Karaman and Yozgat.. I think I figured out how this template works. Do all the districts have to be included in the template code? wow.. Baristarim 04:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
There is a weird problem with Kastamonu, not all districts are listed under new template. Check Kastamonu (new template) and Abana, Turkey which uses the old template. Baristarim 03:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- I got the answer to my query above this way - not all Kastamonu districts are listed.. Baristarim 04:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Was forgatten. Done Kastamonu, Done Karaman.
If there is atleast one other place with the same name of district;
If other place in the same province; I change district name as : XX (District), Provincename
If other place in another province; I change district name as : XX, Provincename
Any other suggestion?Must.T C 09:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
I will do Malatya - just a note so that we don't both do the same province :) Baristarim 20:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Done Baristarim 23:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
For Kayseri, can you replace Pinarbasi with Pınarbaşı, Kayseri? It is the name of two towns apparently, one in Kayseri and one in Kastamonu. I created another page for Kayseri and made Pinarbasi a redirect. Baristarim 23:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
I will do Diyarbakir.. Baristarim 23:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
- Was done already Baristarim 23:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Sanliurfa
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