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This template contains mixed phylogenies and taxa with various standings in current and older taxonomies. Does it serve its purpose by doing so? And should it be on plant article pages without explanations as to what it is showing? --Kleopatra (talk) 05:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
How do we include the new information that embryophytes developed within the Charophytes? Basically Charophytes are a synonym now for Streptophytes, when the Embryophytes are put in a deep supbranch of the Charophytes.Jmv2009 (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
This template cites no sources. It is causing confusion when placed on pages that discuss classification. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
N.B.: This was never about removal of the charophytes from the template. It was always kept at the Streptophyte level, which is equal to the Charophyte level. The Embryophytes were then effectively part of the Charophytes in which they emerged.JMV2009
Jmv2009 why are you constantly trying to get rid of the charophyles. I know they're paraphyletic group, but it's an incredibly useful way of dividing the green algae. They're the two most cited green algal divisions. Next you'll want to get rid of the crustaceans or reptiles, which are also paraphyletic.
You're also destroying the template for low res screens with too many child templates. [3] . Ping EncycloPetey for views if possible. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 18:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
-- Because when you make it explicit, it suggests for instance that Zygnematophyceae are closer to Mesostigmatophyceae while in fact they are closer to the Embryophytes. If you don't make it explicit, it's shown as either unresolved or not specified, but at least it is not misleading. Charophytes (as we use it here, at least) here is shown at the correct place: At the Streptophyte group. Charophytes are not a separate group, and should not be indicated as such. It actually is the Streptophyte group, except for a branch several stages deep in the tree containing the Embryophytes. -- JMV2009
I made a new version which is less confusing I think. But some will not like it as it suggests the Embryophytes are Charophytes and Green Algae, which of course they are, cladistically speaking. I think that's an ok thing to do if you are specifying that that's whats being done. Especially because Embryophytes are a kingdom and Algae are supposed to be a lower (smaller) taxonomic rank.-- JMV2009
Because when you make it explicit, it suggests for instance that Zygnematophyceae are closer to Mesostigmatophyceae while in fact they are closer to the Embryophytes.this is not a cladogram, if you want a cladogram look at the article. Its a navbox for navigation between templates. LOOK AT THE ARTICLES. Green algae divisions = charophyta and chlorophyta. Streptophyta = Charophyta + Embryophyta. This navbox should agree with articles.
suggests the Embryophytes are Charophytes and Green Algaeseriously what the heck? At no point did it suggest this. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 00:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Response:
this is not a cladogram. But the traditionally excluded groups should not be on the same level as the paraphyletic group. It is misleading. --JMV2009
At no point did it suggest this.I was refering to my version, where I had e.g. "Streptophyte (Charophyte, (Cladistically) incl land plants)", and some people don't like this.
Indicated paraphyletic groups with italics, and removed Bryophytes group tag.--JMV2009