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M1 Abrams to Romania, status? edit

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Hello, the contract by which Romania bought 54 M1A2R Abrams SEPV3 tanks is for 1.7 billion dollars, but the American congress was notified with an initial value higher than 2.53 billion dollars. What amount will still be used for this contract? Silo34 (talk) 22:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply I have not seen much news on this. This Defense News article and Breakingdefense.com list a possible $2.53 billion foreign military sale for tanks and other vehicles to Romania from November 2023 pending it clears US Congress. I am not finding any newer news on this one yet... -Fnlayson (talk) 00:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Search on Defense Romania, their last article about the Abrams was in 14 February 2024. The purchase is only 1.7 billion dollars. The 2.53 billion contract is too big for 54 M1A2 Abrams Sepv3 and the 12 Abrams derivates.Even with the logistic support is too big for 2.53 billions. Search the contract on the European and Romanian news channels . You will find the exact price. Silo34 (talk) 02:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK, thanks. The $2.53B number is probably the upper limit for the contract. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
"According to US law, the US Congress was notified of a higher initial value of approximately $2.5 billion. After approval by Congress, the governments of Romania and the United States will sign the LoA (Letter of Acceptance) contract, the purchase by the Romanian side to be made at the value estimated and approved by the Romanian Parliament." Glad to help , have a nice day. Silo34 (talk) 02:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply Aviation articles rewording edit
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Hi Fnlayson, I saw this edit and it got me thinking -- should we update this section to use the phrase "mishap" instead of "accident", as that's the generally accepted terminology for the DoD? Is that something that would be worth rolling out more broadly across other U.S. military aircraft articles? I think you're more familiar with recent trends with our military aviation articles than I am, so figured I'd check in case this was something that's already been discussed before (saw your note at top of this page about discussing on article talk, but IMO this is potentially broader than just one specific article). ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply Hello Swatjester, Combat losses are generally covered in the Operational history section of aircraft articles, while accidents are covered Accidents sections per WP:Air/PC. These are both losses but due to different reasons. I don't see a solid justification for putting these together. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply No that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm just talking about renaming the section on Accidents to use the word "Mishaps" instead. No changes to what entries are listed under what section, no merging. The term "Mishap" is preferred in the DoD aviation community over "Accident"; see e.g. USAF Mishap Investigation Process]. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply This is not up to just me. You would need to bring up to the WP:Air project to get consensus to change the project guidelines (WP:Air/PC). WP:Air covers all aircraft including commercial and military. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Again, I am looking for feedback, not permission. "The section header can be changed to just 'Accidents' or just 'Incidents' if applicable to the contents." -- seems like WP:Air already allows for this conceptually, but I agree that's a better place to seek the input I'm looking for. Thanks. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply About production edit
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