Editing decoded, from the master himself!

Known for his
works in Indian cinema he has worked on Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, Telugu and
English films and his last National Film Award for Best Editing was for his
work on the feature film

Recollecting how his journey began in the industry he said, “It happened by chance. Dad and uncle were in the film industry. I was fascinated by books and thought journalism would be a good option. While that was yet to happen my dad asked me to come help out in the editing room and just watch and observe. During that process I got involved in working and then it became exciting because every day, every scene was a new story. I don’t know if I should regret not having a formal training but I think it is very important to have a formal training also, it’s a way of getting exposed to the techniques but it’s not the end of it. You will need to do an apprenticeship maybe but you will be much better trained than a person with no formal training.”
With over 300
films in your work record, what according to you is film editing and how has
its definition changed over the years?
Film editing to me itself has changed over a period of time, from when I started off and today. If you go back in history, editing was started off mainly to join two strips of film, to make a video clip bigger so that they can see more. Slowly they realised the possibilities of how joining these film pieces into different forms could make it much more interesting. Then they tried to juxtapose a close up and slowly over 100 years, it slowly evolved. Initially editing was more functional and film was shot to a very bound script. As time passed they saw more possibilities in it. When I started, I was looking at it excitedly as a concept of storytelling and really never understood that editing can be much more than just joining those shots that the director wants to join to make it a scene. Slowly it sunk into me that a scene can be shown slightly in a different manner and you can withhold information, which was possible in editing. I should thank all my directors, for each one of them passed on some learning and a different perspective to filmmaking. Many people have asked me if I have a particular style but I have never felt it necessary to create a style and consciously I’ve never tried to create a style for myself. I would always try to get into a personal equation with the story and try to move with the story. Whatever is best for that story for those visuals I edit, we are not here to question what is been shot. Initially it was not possible to collaborate, but now it is easily possible to do that for the films I do, where I see the rushes immediately or two days later so I am able to give a creative input where it can still be corrected. Earlier that was not possible and whatever was given, we would try to make a structure out of it and polish it.
Editing impacting
cinema as a tool for storytelling, where does it stand in the conventional
workflow of filmmaking?
The whole concept
of films is that you are trying to tell a story so that’s of paramount
importance for the audience who is getting glued onto a scene in a particular
story at some point. In our Indian ways of film, we have a lot of items inside
a story and the audience has got used to it, like the leeway of songs etc. But
if the story is not gripping for you at any point of time, then you would
probably lose interest in the film. So the editor’s job directly is to make the
story seem interesting and see to it that the story keeps moving all the time
and it doesn’t become redundant or static; even with constraints like having
breaks like songs or fights. The editor has to be conscious of his contribution
and ensure that the story is moving in every frame of the film.
Is it a
misconception that an editor comes only in the post-production of a film? How
important do you think it is for an editor to be involved in the pre-production
and production stages of a film?
I think it is
very important for an editor to be a part of a film in preproduction itself
because there are various things which he will be able to help in. In the story
itself, if an editor is equipped enough to judge a story, he can suggest
changes. What happens is that when you write a story most of it gets
translated, 100% of it is never translated due to various problems. So even if
75% of what a director has visualized has been put on screen, then it is a huge
effort. Some people don’t even visualize 50% of what they’ve written on paper.
When a story is been written, there will be a lot of things that will not flow
in the story and they may not be able to realise it sometimes. An editor’s
insight will probably make him imagine how it will transition from one sequence
to another, from one mood to another and can be corrected. And if computer
graphics are involved, then it is better if the editor is involved from the
beginning so that the whole system is smooth and there are no problems later in
post-production.
So does editing
start right from the development of the concept?
Yes, that is how
it starts for me right now. But it is not fair for me to say that that’s how it
could start for everybody. It didn’t start like that for me initially. Over the
years I made it a point that it was not just cutting and pasting, and I started
involving myself involuntarily also into the process with the director. You
need to have a very good rapport and wavelength with the director. About 30
years ago lot of people would not have given importance to editing, and were
very clear that this is the way it will be shot and edited. As time passed,
filmmaking evolved and they realised that you could shoot more and get the best
out of all the angles shot. Also with the advent of latest equipment there is a
chance for us to experiment on a number of variations.
Editing starts
during the shot division stage itself. Could you please explain how important
editing is even for directors?
For a director
also, it is very important to have an idea of editing in some way or another,
maybe not in finesse or in totality. But if he knew from where it would be cut
then it would be much easier for him. For a newer director it is always good to
sit with the director and see how to break down the shots; why a close shot,
why a wide or top angle one etc. The younger directors shoot with multi-cam and
shoot all the angles for the whole sequence and then mostly leave it to the
editor to decide. Just because we have all the shots, it doesn’t make sense to
use all the scenes.
What are the
misconceptions about editors that you have heard over the years?
Editing is not
about lot of shots, editing is more about the shots that make an impact. It’s
not about the number of cuts in a sequence. There are a number of advantages
and disadvantages of working on a digital platform. Advantages are endless
because you can cut on any number of options. In the olden days they were
editing on a smaller platform and they never watched it only on television,
they watched it in places like this lab, so people would have an idea of how
much would an expression register for a person.
Sometimes we
change the story in the editing stage, can you please narrate any from your own
experiences?
Once the shoot is
done, we are editing in sequences and the overall flow is not seen. Once you
put it into a story form you realise that there is repetition of information or
obstructions, which need to be solved. 80% of the screenplay does change in the
editing stage which will be in the interest of the film moving at a brisk pace.
You need to show it in a concise manner. But when you write, not everyone can
write like that. An example is a film called Kaminey. It had a
peculiar problem which was that there were two characters and one was that of a
person in action sequences and the other was of a love story. So in the
parallel narrative when we put more time in the love story, the other action
part was getting lost, so we had to strike a balance where it was almost
uniformly similar in length. Another thing was that there was a wonderful 4-5
minute sequence in the beginning which had a great impact but at the same time
what was after that was losing its impact so I had to tell the director the bad
news that the scene had to go and he was shocked because they had spent lots of
money on it. But as a director he didn’t buy it. In Bollywood there are
screening for focus groups and their opinions were similar to mine. Then we
took out that scene and showed it in other places to other groups and they
liked it in terms of narrative of two brothers, so we had to remove the whole
scene.
Another example
is

What according to
you makes an amazing cut?
Editing is not
about showing off cuts. Probably there are situations and scenes where you show
off cuts to make a point. But when the audience is watching he is seeing a
movie not cuts, he does not know about cuts. We do use cuts when you want to
jerk the audience into something or frighten them to create a certain effect.
Predominantly you should not feel a cut and it should just flow with the story.
When our students
saw
It also depends
on the director because she was not trying to sensationalise the topic. She was
affected by it and we tried to be sensitive to the issue and not sensationalise
it in any way. It was her idea from the start which was to be an emotional
experience. It needed that emotion to be carried forward.
It is said that
an editor orchestrates the emotional rhythm, how important is the rhythm?
The rhythm is set
by the story. So if that is clear to me what is that you want to convey then it
helps. If you are working with people like Mani Ratnam, then he is also trying
to convey an emotion even in a song, it is not an escapist song. There will be
a balance of romance and story and it will not look just like a song. The
amount of duration of a particular moment is important to convey a particular
emotion. I follow; for every action and reaction there is a particular time. It
cannot be a staccato type of editing, it will not seem real. So that amount of
time you have to judge and leave. How to make it real and not synthetic is what
you can set. If it is a retort, it has to be immediately etc.
In the Talvar climax
conference room scene, how did you maintain the cuts?
There is a slight
humour in the scene and it is a very unconventional scene for a climax where
each team feels their investigation is right. So as a filmmaker we slightly
have a tendency if you notice, although it seems objective, to make it look
like Irfan Khan’s investigation was probably the real one. So when he was
saying his lines ridiculing the others it always required the underline of the
others reaction to make him look like he was making fun of them. The fun was
the reactions of the others, if not it would not have lifted the scene to the
level it did.

How tough was it
to show the same scene so many times from different perspectives?
That was the
biggest challenge in that film for me, to start the story at the same time.
Although the screenplay had the structure in place, as an editor the challenge
was how much to show and how much to rewind because it shouldn’t get
monotonous. So we slowly filtered out the monotony as the edit went on. If you
realise the third is a short version because we realised it will not hold good.
We just highlighted the points of difference or contention.
What are the job
responsibilities of an intern and what hierarchy is followed once a student
joins the industry?
The intern should
know how to handle the equipment. Probably he/she might not know how to handle
an assistant director or director, so he/she will have to observe. If he/she is
becoming an editor then he/she has to make his/her own game plan. But if he/she
is joining an editor as an assistant, then he/she should watch their workflow.
It requires a year at least for them to get used to it.
You rarely use
transitions in your films?
I don’t generally
see it as a requirement, so I don’t use transitions because I feel it becomes
unreal unless I am really trying to tell something. But for pure film viewing I
don’t feel the need unless it’s a specific purpose like denoting a passage of eight
years. Usually I am able to convey what I want to convey without these effects.
For example, the jump cuts in
What is your
advice for budding film professionals?
Be passionate
about what you are doing, whatever discipline you are going to take. In editing
you need a lot of patience. You should be aware of where you are going to
operate and create a market for yourself. That’s very important, so work
towards that and explore that. You definitely have to experiment and try to do
something different, so that you can make a mark for yourself. The most
important thing is that you have to be clear where you are getting into in the
industry, which market and be aware of that industry before you enter that
industry. It is also essential to explore various Filmmaking Courses and find
out for yourself which are the Best Editing Courses in India.
